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Teabaggers v. Holocaust Survivors

Posted by ALmod on November 10, 2009

How is it exactly that something like this somehow flew under the MSM radar?

I suppose that using the Holocaust is convenient when you’re opposing health care reform– until the survivors start calling you out on it.

Then, all you have to do is just sit back and read the comments to see the true face of the Tea Party.

The people I feel for are the true Libertarians who started this back during Bush’s time in office to truly protest conservative principals before it turned into the right-wing Obama bash-fest that it is today. These were the true nonpartisans.

Not happy with merely hijacking the GOP from true conservatives, and realizing that the real conservatives have mostly moved on, the wolves had to change their wool sweaters. Unfortunately, that’s what I see when I hear the word “libertarian” these days.  It’s just not cool to be “Republican” anymore.

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8 Responses to “Teabaggers v. Holocaust Survivors”

  1. Don said

    Today I posted the following as part of a comment on Kathy’s Birmingham Blues blog at http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2009/11/10/teabaggers-on-parade/.
    “In any large crowd of protesters there will always be some who carry inappropriate signs and say inappropriate things. IMHO, it’s also inappropriate to call these protesters “teabaggers” as so many progressives do because as almost everyone knows that word has a derogatory (and inflaming) meaning.”

    There’s an old motto from somewhere that says, “United we stand, divided we fall”. People who disagree with others and call them names are dividing us. This must be stopped if we want to survive as united Americans, rather than a people divided by political persuasions.

    If all of the people who are members of Tea Party groups or attend their events are called “teabaggers” I resent it because that includes me. The Tea Party people I know personally in the Tri-County area around Montgomery, AL are honorable people who wouldn’t do the despicable things that some of the radicals who go to events in other areas might do, and they don’t deserve to be painted with the broad “teabagger” brush as you and too many others seem to be doing. The ones I know are American patriots whose wish is for our government to adhere to the US Constitution…nothing more, nothing less.

  2. Debbie said

    First, let me apologize for the ugliness of the person who attacked Elie Wiesel–there’s no excuse for such bigotry.

    Next, let me call for an apology from you for expressing your bigotry about the Tea Party Patriots.

    As a Patriot, one who served 28 years in the US Air Force to protect this country and your rights, I am incensed by your generalization and name calling. You just responded in the same manner the idiot did about the American Jewish people.

    I have yet to come across anyone in my associations with fellow Tea Partiers that is of the hateful extreme. We, and I’m now generalizing, are in this to fight for our country and to return to the principles of the US Constitution. We are NOT in this because of any person’s color, race or creed. Although there are many of us who feel it’s our failure to hold up God as our Creator that has led us down this path of destruction.

    There were protestors of Bush, those who called him names held unacceptable for Obama. Where was your outrage then? No, the Tea Party grassroots movement didn’t take hold back during his presidency, but then he didn’t try to bankrupt our country within the first 6 months of taking office. Bush didn’t attempt to socialize banks, home loans, auto industries, energy production or health care, or overrun our free enterprise system. Bush didn’t blacklist a cable news station because they didn’t agree with him. Bush didn’t try to control the internet so he could thus control what is being discussed with regard to his Marxist agenda. Bush didn’t work to indoctrinate the youth by espousing his opinions via a broadcast to schools. Bush didn’t admit he was for “spreading the wealth.” Bush didn’t take away our personal choice and mandate we enroll in anything, to include health care. I’ve heard enough about how Bush did or caused this all. He wasn’t a perfect president but then who is? His 8 years are over and he didn’t even attempt 1/10th of the takeover of our Constitutional rights Obama has. I don’t know about you, but I didn’t work hard to bring myself from the “wrong side of the tracks” to have all I’ve achieved given away to those who refuse to do for themselves. There, how’s that for generalizing!

    No, I’m not in this war to save my country because of something petty like a man’s skin color. I’m in this to salvage what’s left of liberty and individual freedoms so my future grandchildren have a country to grow up free in like you and I did. We are on the brink of losing it all because Uncle Sam is nearly broke and we’re about to learn Chinese. That’s much more important than being offended by some idiot’s inappropriate use of history or bigoted comments.

    I hope you have a blessed Veteran’s Day…I intend to!

  3. Debbie said

    One more thing…

    Bush wasn’t a hypocrite about supporting our men and women in uniform. Bush didn’t expect our troops to remain in ever increasing danger while he sat back in the White House mulling over what to do for MONTHS! Bush trusted the generals he sent over in command and sent them what they said they needed for success. Bush wouldn’t consider the troops coming home in defeat. Bush didn’t believe in apologies for us fighting for others’ freedom nor did he believe in anything less than victory.

    Bush also called evil by its name. Bush wouldn’t have asked we not rush to judgment when there was obviously an act of terrorism levied against our troops in what should have been a safe haven. Bush wouldn’t have been a hypocrite and stood for photo ops at the Ft Hood memorial service or on the tarmac as troops who sacrificed all for freedom returned to Dover.

    God Bless Our Men and Women Who Selflessly Serve Our Great Country and Must Hold Their Tongue Against Their So-Called Commander in Chief

    May We Veterans Who Believe in the US Constitution and Personal Freedom Speak for Them

  4. Jim said

    Wow, lotta hatred there, Debbie. You should probably stop making false claims if you don’t want your group to be marginalized. You’re flat-out lying. Obama is not “trying to bankrupt” the country, nor does he have any kind of “Marxist agenda”. I have to wonder if you even know what that means. If you did, you wouldn’t have used it. I lost count trying to count the straw men in your argument. If you want to be treated with respect, then use logical discourse to disagree instead of lies and emotional melodrama.

  5. Debbie said

    I know exactly of what I speak…but for you, here’s the definition of Marxism.

    Marxism defined–n. The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society’s allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.

    Further–“The theory seeks the elimination of the notion of private property in order to gain control of the economic “means of production” by taking it from the bourgeois (the wealthy or propertied class) for the benefit of the proletariat (working class.) His philosophy of history was called “historical materialism” in which his goal was to bring about the end of history, by means of an eventual perfect, classless, utopian society he called Communism.

    Marxist notions of collectivization and redistribution of the property of the bourgeois puts it on a collision course with the economic philosophy of Capitalism and free markets, and also with the social-governmental philosophies related to Democracy, in the oldest, pre-Marxism sense of that word.”

    And just how do you expect Obama’s agenda of spend, spend, spend isn’t going to lead us to bankruptcy. Even the Chinese leadership question his plan to spend and borrow us into oblivion.

    If the shoe fits…

  6. ALmod said

    Don and Debbie, while I always appreciate your opinion, keep in mind that the terms “teabag” and “teabagger” were first used by those promoting the events. Once they were made aware of the meaning of the term, they continued to use it and even embraced the alternative meaning of the word. Like it or not, these are the faces of the tea party movement that the general public is seeing.

    Debbie, your memory appears to be short on exactly what took place during the Bush presidency. And your vision as to how to recover from it appears to be lacking. Further, I’d like to know how a bill that is estimated to reduce the deficit by over $100 billion is supposed to be considered “out of control spending.” Not even a small fraction of the stimulus hasn’t even been spent, and yet it’s already starting to work.

    Obama hasn’t blacklisted Fox News. He hasn’t even refused to appear. Not even close. He merely skipped over them when he made ONE round of news shows for interviews– and noted that it was in part due to the decision by Fox to not air his previous television appearances. In fact, I have always said that the best interview of Obama during his campaign was done by Bill O’Reilly.

    In fact, pretty much everything in your third paragraph is completely and utterly false– and easily proven so. Rather, you’ve only spewed a few vague media talking points. Government regulation is not the same as socialization. Government regulation is the very thing that was repealed– leading us to the irresponsible behavior practiced by banks that led us into this recession.

    Bush did however decide that little things like free speech, right to assembly, freedom from unnecessary searches, and habeas corpus were unimportant– and pretty early on. Bush did stand for photo ops in New Orleans and at Ground Zero. And I’d say a call to not rush to judgment is probably a good idea– considering that the last three such shootings by members of the armed services against their comrades were committed by non-Muslims with no terrorist affiliations. (Or have you so easily forgotten the events at Camp Liberty?) I’m sure Bush would have rather jumped to conclusions and gotten us into another multi-billion dollar war as a result. Perhaps if we hadn’t jumped to conclusions six years ago, we’d be in a lot less debt and would have captured the guy who actually attacked us. We are still in Afghanistan today because of the amount of time, energy, and money we were forced to pour into Iraq. Remind me again who made that decision. Ask Ron Paul– a true conservative– what he thinks about that decision. See what kind of a response you get from these rallies when you quote the views of Barry Goldwater (another true conservative) on gay marriage and abortion.

    Now, let me ask you a question… How do you make money without spending it? If it is impossible to return more money to the U.S. Treasury by spending some out of it, then how do you explain the fact that the GI Bill does exactly that– bringing in an estimated $7 for every $1 spent? If in fact nobody spent money and everyone saved it, what effect do you think that would have on the economy?

    Further, why don’t you take your slippery slope argument about Marxism and turn it on its heel? What if the government provided no services and no regulations. Would you trust the good nature of a company to sell toys to your children and grandchildren that were not dangerous? How about pharmaceutical companies? Yeah, that snake oil will really cure baldness… Nudge nudge wink wink. We’ve had government regulation since long before you were ever born, and yet we have somehow managed to still have elections and haven’t committed mass genocide.

  7. ALmod said

    That should have said “has even been spent…”

  8. Don said

    ALmod, I know that some Tea Party people used tea bags in demonstrations symbolic of the Boston Tea Party when patriots dumped tea into the water in a protest that eventually led to the creation of our nation. Because there are literally hundreds of Tea Party groups throughout the USA, it’s possible that members of one or more of them may have referred to themselves as “teabaggers”, but if they did I’m not aware of it.

    Therefore, I’d like to know what your source is for your writing, “keep in mind that the terms “teabag” and “teabagger” were first used by those promoting the events. Once they were made aware of the meaning of the term, they continued to use it and even embraced the alternative meaning of the word.”

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